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	<title>Comments on: Decibel Flavors Part 1 &#8211; L Values</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua Leasure</title>
		<link>http://austinnoise.org/2010/02/03/decibel-flavors-part-1-l-values/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Leasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 15:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Determining Ln values from a data set isn&#039;t too difficult, though it&#039;s tedious, so the percentile function would certainly make that task more simpe (&quot;percentile&quot; is another term used to describe statistical values).  The trick is actually collecting the data.  Generally the types of sound level meters that can collect the type of data appropriate for determining Ln already have Ln functionality built in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Determining Ln values from a data set isn&#8217;t too difficult, though it&#8217;s tedious, so the percentile function would certainly make that task more simpe (&#8220;percentile&#8221; is another term used to describe statistical values).  The trick is actually collecting the data.  Generally the types of sound level meters that can collect the type of data appropriate for determining Ln already have Ln functionality built in.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua:
Thanks, I discovered a function / formula in Excel that calculates L10 and L90 automagically from a data set

It is the &quot;percentile&quot; function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua:<br />
Thanks, I discovered a function / formula in Excel that calculates L10 and L90 automagically from a data set</p>
<p>It is the &#8220;percentile&#8221; function.</p>
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		<title>By: seti</title>
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		<dc:creator>seti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 08:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello hye..
joshua
thanks alot for details explaination..u&#039;re really help me to find out the L10, L90 and Ln manually.
actually for noise level measurement i used sound level meter and the value will appear digitally
but for manually, if we can&#039;t read the Leq so we can use L10 L90 l50 to calculate Leq,is that right joshua?
good jobs dear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello hye..<br />
joshua<br />
thanks alot for details explaination..u&#8217;re really help me to find out the L10, L90 and Ln manually.<br />
actually for noise level measurement i used sound level meter and the value will appear digitally<br />
but for manually, if we can&#8217;t read the Leq so we can use L10 L90 l50 to calculate Leq,is that right joshua?<br />
good jobs dear.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Leasure</title>
		<link>http://austinnoise.org/2010/02/03/decibel-flavors-part-1-l-values/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Leasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David.  Very good question!

It&#039;s really a matter of counting more than a matter of calculating.  Ln values are called statistical measurements because they&#039;re a result of analyzing a group of samples, rather than performing a calculation.  During a measurement the sound level meter continuously adds the current SPL to a histogram.  The interval between samples is constant and internal to the meter, and certainly less than a second.  L10 then becomes the value that is lower than 10% of the measurements and higher than 90% of the measurements.

Here&#039;s a very simplified example.  Suppose we turn on our SLM long enough for it to collect 20 samples and we ask it to tell us the L20 of the measurement.  The samples it collects, in chronological order, are:

58, 59, 58, 57, 56, 55, 55, 56, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 62, 61, 62, 63, 64

To determine L20, we look for the value that is below 20%, or 4 out of 20, of the samples.  The easiest way to do this is to sort the samples in descending order:

64, 63, 62, 62, 62, 61, 61, 60, 59, 59, 58, 58, 58, 57, 57, 56, 56, 56, 55, 55

L20 will be the value below the top 4 values and above the bottom 16.  The 4th and 5th samples (in descending order) are 62 and 62, so L20 is 62.  In other words, 20% of the time, the measured sound level was above 62 dB.

We can also determine the L50 (or any other Ln from our data) by using a similar analysis.  Instead of the top 20% of samples, we would instead determine the top 50%, or 10 out of 20.  The 10th and 11th samples, in descending order, are 59 and 58.  So the L50 is somewhere between 58 and 59 dB.

The only way you could really do this calculation in Excel is if you had access to frequent periodic samples of the measured sound level meter.  Generally the only way you can collect that type of data is with an advanced sound level meter, and such a meter will almost certainly have Ln functionality built in, so it&#039;s sort of pointless to do it yourself.  In a real Ln measurement the SLM will collect far more than 20 samples, so doing it by hand in a spreadsheet could be quite an undertaking.

If you had a quick pencil, you could approximate Ln values by watching a simple SLM and recording the value at regular intervals; every 10 seconds for an hour, to use your example, would work well, giving you 360 samples.  You would watch a clock with a second hand and every 10 seconds write whatever value was on the SLM at that moment.  You would then enter all of your samples into a spreadsheet and sort them in descending order.  You could then determine your approximate L10 by seeing what value had 10% (36 out of 360) of the samples above it.

-Joshua</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David.  Very good question!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a matter of counting more than a matter of calculating.  Ln values are called statistical measurements because they&#8217;re a result of analyzing a group of samples, rather than performing a calculation.  During a measurement the sound level meter continuously adds the current SPL to a histogram.  The interval between samples is constant and internal to the meter, and certainly less than a second.  L10 then becomes the value that is lower than 10% of the measurements and higher than 90% of the measurements.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a very simplified example.  Suppose we turn on our SLM long enough for it to collect 20 samples and we ask it to tell us the L20 of the measurement.  The samples it collects, in chronological order, are:</p>
<p>58, 59, 58, 57, 56, 55, 55, 56, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 62, 61, 62, 63, 64</p>
<p>To determine L20, we look for the value that is below 20%, or 4 out of 20, of the samples.  The easiest way to do this is to sort the samples in descending order:</p>
<p>64, 63, 62, 62, 62, 61, 61, 60, 59, 59, 58, 58, 58, 57, 57, 56, 56, 56, 55, 55</p>
<p>L20 will be the value below the top 4 values and above the bottom 16.  The 4th and 5th samples (in descending order) are 62 and 62, so L20 is 62.  In other words, 20% of the time, the measured sound level was above 62 dB.</p>
<p>We can also determine the L50 (or any other Ln from our data) by using a similar analysis.  Instead of the top 20% of samples, we would instead determine the top 50%, or 10 out of 20.  The 10th and 11th samples, in descending order, are 59 and 58.  So the L50 is somewhere between 58 and 59 dB.</p>
<p>The only way you could really do this calculation in Excel is if you had access to frequent periodic samples of the measured sound level meter.  Generally the only way you can collect that type of data is with an advanced sound level meter, and such a meter will almost certainly have Ln functionality built in, so it&#8217;s sort of pointless to do it yourself.  In a real Ln measurement the SLM will collect far more than 20 samples, so doing it by hand in a spreadsheet could be quite an undertaking.</p>
<p>If you had a quick pencil, you could approximate Ln values by watching a simple SLM and recording the value at regular intervals; every 10 seconds for an hour, to use your example, would work well, giving you 360 samples.  You would watch a clock with a second hand and every 10 seconds write whatever value was on the SLM at that moment.  You would then enter all of your samples into a spreadsheet and sort them in descending order.  You could then determine your approximate L10 by seeing what value had 10% (36 out of 360) of the samples above it.</p>
<p>-Joshua</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you explain how L10 and L90 are actually calculated from sound level measurement data?
That is, given a one hour sound level measurement at 10 second intervals, how would you calculate the L10, practically speaking? Is there a way to do it in the Excel spreadsheet program?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you explain how L10 and L90 are actually calculated from sound level measurement data?<br />
That is, given a one hour sound level measurement at 10 second intervals, how would you calculate the L10, practically speaking? Is there a way to do it in the Excel spreadsheet program?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Adams</title>
		<link>http://austinnoise.org/2010/02/03/decibel-flavors-part-1-l-values/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, I am interested in getting in touch with folks who are concerned about the loudness of Nutty Brown concerts. Do you have any contact info for those groups or individuals (such as yourself)that are trying to make a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, I am interested in getting in touch with folks who are concerned about the loudness of Nutty Brown concerts. Do you have any contact info for those groups or individuals (such as yourself)that are trying to make a difference?</p>
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