Comments on: Austin Formula 1 Track Noise Analysis http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/ Discussion on community noise in Austin, Texas Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:26:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.11 By: Joshua Leasure http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-654 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:36:40 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-654 As I stated in the article, I used Indy car data, which is conservative, and it is for a single trip of a single car around the track, also very conservative. So yes, you’re right, it will be louder than my model predicts, possibly 10 dBA louder.

At the levels predicted by the study, or louder, race car noise will be disruptive in homes located near the track. (Unless those homes have exceptional construction, which does not appear to be the case). That’s not personal opinion, that’s the appropriate conclusion to draw from the data.

Noise from aircraft using ABIA is audbile in this area, but not comparable levels from the race cars at homes near the track. You can find a copy of the latest ABIA noise contour map in several documents online, and you can see that the 65 DNL contour is a considerable distance from the track. DNL and SPL aren’t directly comparable, DNL is a 24-hour average and SPL is a single event, but you can get a decent sense of what noise exposure from ABIA is like based on the map.

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By: Joshua Leasure http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-653 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:28:17 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-653 Formula 1 cars are naturally aspirated. The data I used for this analysis came from direct measurements done by an acoustical firm studying the Baltimore F1 track.

Naturally aspirated or turbo, remember that these engines put over 900 HP to the transmission. That’s going to be loud no matter what kind of air handing they utilize.

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By: Joshua Leasure http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-652 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:20:57 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-652 The term “dB” by itself has little meaning. It needs to be qualified. The numbers on the chart you linked to are not qualified, but it appears they’re just copies of A-weighted SPL from another chart elsewhere.

Normal conversation levels are in the 65 dBA range. If there is another, intruding noise that is also at 65 dBA, then the conversation becomes difficult to continue as there is another noise that must be talked over.

An outdoor noise at 80 dBA would absolutely be noticeable indoors, even with the windows shut. The typical outdoor to indoor noise reduction provided by a building is 20 dBA. More for a high quality construction with sound rated windows, less for cheaper construction. In remote areas like this, construction tends to be towards the cheap side with respect to noise insulation, which is to be expected. Why spend any money on high STC windows when there aren’t any noise sources to worry about?

A lawn mower may be 107 dBA 3 feet away. That would mean it is ~103 dBA 6 feet away, and about ~99 dBA 12 feet away. Remember that sound spreads geometrically. For race car noise from a track that is hundreds or even thousands of feet away to be greater than 80 dBA is very significant. It will be that level everywhere around a house, not just in a sphere around one machine. In other words, even with similar levels of exposure, the amount of sound energy the house is exposed to is considerably more, since all of its surface area is exposed to the same intensity.

Even so, I would be curious to visit your house, since apparently it is built like a bomb shelter and has no windows. A lawn mower being operated in my yard is always noticeable. A lawn mower being operated in my neighbor’s yard is noticeable. This is not surprising, as I do not have STC 45 windows on my house.

A dial tone is 80 dBA when the receiver is held up to your ear, centimeters away from the speaker. You cannot lift a receiver and produce an 80 dBA tone throughout a room, unless you have a very loud phone that would inflict permanent hearing damage on anyone who attempted to use it. Remember that sound spreads geometrically, and that distance from the source is just as significant as SPL. 3 feet from a phone the dial tone will be audible, but it will be nowhere near 80 dBA.

A jet engine can absolute cause sound levels to exceed 120 dBA, NEAR the jet engine. Miles away sound levels are much less. Find a copy of the ABIA airport noise contours and you will see that the 65 dBA contour is far away from the Formula 1 site. Airplane noise at this location will not be comparable to race car noise for homes close to the track.

The SoundPLAN software takes frequency into account for its noise propagation calculations. Air and ground absorption are absolutely frequency dependent, and those effects have already been accounted for in this analysis.

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By: They are loud but http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-646 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:35:35 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-646 The study is a bit flawed. The actual cars are much louder. That being said, the cars up close are extremely loud and can be hear adistance away. From what I have seen the noise at CotA will not be as much of an impact as a direct overhead flight of a jet for the people in their homes nearby. It will be audible, but not disruptive….

That being said, no clue what it will do to livestock.

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By: C'mon... Really? http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-645 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:21:35 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-645 “It appears very likely that the track will be operating in exceedance of the Austin noise ordinance.” Umm… Forgive me but this isn’t in Austin… It’s in ELROY!!!

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By: R Webb http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-643 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:05:32 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-643 Keep in mind that a turbocharged car with open exhaust is significantly quieter than a naturally aspirated (N/A) car with open exhaust.

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By: M Ridge http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-642 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:42:49 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-642 Interesting study but, some of your comparisons are a little suspect.

A normal conversation is usually measured between 60-70 db, not a loud conversation at 65db.

Also, an outdoor sound at 80db would be barely noticeable indoors with the windows shut. A typical phone dialtone registers at 80db, hardly a conversation stopper.

A mower, 3 ft away registers at 107 db, much louder than a typical conversation but, once again, indoors, hardly noticeable.

These homes are very close to the airport and the typical jet on takeoff can hit well over 120db.

Don’t get me wrong, at the track, you will need hearing protection, which I use at any race but, once you get very far away, the noise will just fade out. F1 cars are typically very high pitch which fades rapidly.

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

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By: Al Rodriguez http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-633 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:18:51 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-633 We should do all the race fans a big favor and move if near them who love the “sport” & set it closer to them that to us who don’t need or want every aspect of it.

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By: Formula One (F1): Starts Construction - Page 13 - City-Data Forum http://austinnoise.org/2011/07/07/austin-formula-1-track-noise-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-632 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:17:19 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=313#comment-632 […] some data and created a SoundPLAN model of the track and area. I posted the model's results at Austin Noise. Those cars are really, really loud. This is actually a very conservative model and I would expect […]

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