Comments for Austin Noise http://austinnoise.org Discussion on community noise in Austin, Texas Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:26:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.11 Comment on Summary of Sound Level Limits by Statesman Shots #42: Jeanne Claire van Ryzin on East Austin Studio Tour | Statesman Shots http://austinnoise.org/the-austin-noise-ordinance/summary-of-sound-level-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-692 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:26:35 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=45#comment-692 […] Austin noise ordinances. […]

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Comment on Summary of Sound Level Limits by Betty http://austinnoise.org/the-austin-noise-ordinance/summary-of-sound-level-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-690 Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:03:23 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=45#comment-690 So my neighbor’s car stereo is so loud that I can hear it in every room of my house, whenever they come and go from their house. Sometimes they sit in their driveway for a few minutes, with the bass vibrating my garage door. Obviously the police will never be able to ‘catch them in the act.’ Any suggestions? He’s an intimidating fellow that doesn’t care to say Hi much to neighbors, so I assumed he wouldn’t respond well to a polite request.

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Comment on Summary of Sound Level Limits by MB Zars http://austinnoise.org/the-austin-noise-ordinance/summary-of-sound-level-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-686 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 04:34:57 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=45#comment-686 I’ve found this site so interesting and thank Leasure’s thoughtful and measured responses. I want to affirm his advice to go direct to the source of the noise first and ask the noise maker to take into consideration your experience of the sound they made/created. Dogs barking, mufflers throbbing, music roaring, loud voices, compressors, jack hammers, and most recently for us a very large machine that is used to smooth concrete running full blast next door at 11:30pm. In most situations people will accommodate a specific request to change their noise making behavior. If they don’t I’ve found a couple of ways to approach the problem without having to call the police. So, here is my list: 1. go direct, politely, and be specific about what you are asking for and why. 2. Find out who owns the property or business and contact them directly. Use shame. You can pretty easily find out who owns property by going to http://www.traviscad.org and type in the address. Many tenants are not happy to hear from their landlord about how they are infuriating and annoying their neighbors. Usually you can find out who owns a business by going to pipl, or better yet, the TX Sec. of State website. Put your thoughts and experiences in writing. Let them know exactly what it was like at 3am when their tenants decided to have a baboon howling contest. 3. When that doesn’t work, join forces with others who are affected by the noise and circulate a petition. We did this on our two block stretch of street when we were not able to persuade a group house to stop being the party center after the 6th St. bars closed at 2am. The noise was surging out of the house and yard every weekend night. I walked up and down our block and in about 20 minutes had 30 signatures to a letter explaining that the noise was interfering with our sleep, well being, and was extremely discourteous. I made copies of it and gave it to the occupants of the house and sent it to the landlord. They stopped & soon moved out. So, in short, the police may be able to help in some situations but I would not wait for the police. We are social animals: apply constant, direct pressure and public/community shame. I agree that helplessness and passivity make the noise so much worse. At least half of the stress is trying to figure out what to do.

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Comment on The Nutty Brown Cafe – Review of Analysis and Mitigation by Mike Farr http://austinnoise.org/2011/09/03/the-nutty-brown-cafe-review-of-analysis-and-mitigation/comment-page-1/#comment-681 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:11:07 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=324#comment-681 Hadn’t seen this till just now, Josh. Very fair. Very well put. Thank you for all of your help. I have learned a great deal from you. I value your expertise, impartiality and your friendship. Take care.

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Comment on The Halfway Point Between Developers and Venues by Joshua Leasure http://austinnoise.org/2011/11/07/the-halfway-point-between-developers-and-venues/comment-page-1/#comment-680 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:27:01 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=381#comment-680 Hi Gary, thanks for that good information. The frequent, haphazard changes to the ordinance that continue to this day appear to be the reason it is disjointed, self-contradictory, and almost devoid of any sensible thought with regard to acoustics. Frequent changes by people without even a basic understanding of noise and noise measurements have produced an ugly, non-functional chimera that no one is happy with.

My hope is that at some point City Council can be convinced to wipe everything clean and bring in an acoustical consultant with experience writing ordinances to provide the basis for a fresh start. A foundation of good acoustics should be laid down first, with the details adjusted to taste based on the specific needs of the city. But how to convince them it’s worth the time and expense?

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Comment on The Halfway Point Between Developers and Venues by Gary Etie - Music Permit Guy http://austinnoise.org/2011/11/07/the-halfway-point-between-developers-and-venues/comment-page-1/#comment-679 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:25:22 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=381#comment-679 Joshua,

In addition, here is my post of August 9, 2011, linked below, to further reinforce the argument that the Music Commission discussions, as well as the discussions you point out in this post, although appropriate praise for the excellent work they are doing, is not where the problem exist.

My point is: The City Council continues to ignore the Music Commission’s suggestions, and, in fact, is causing more problems, every time that they do finally take action.

What good is excellent work going to do, if the City Council at best, moves at a snail’s pace, to get anything done about an a section of the Code that they and their Staff have messed up, annually, for years now (usually right before SxSW, causing everyone to scramble, at the last minute), and at worst, entirely ignores the recommendation of the Music Commission to the City Council (the limit of the Music Commission’s power)

Tuesday, August 9, 2011 :
Tonight: Special Called Meeting
of the Austin Music Commission

The following is a link to my post, from that same night:
http://austincitypermits.com/?p=5490

Respectfully,
Gary Etie

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Comment on The Halfway Point Between Developers and Venues by Gary Etie http://austinnoise.org/2011/11/07/the-halfway-point-between-developers-and-venues/comment-page-1/#comment-678 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:06:12 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?p=381#comment-678 Joshua,

First, I want to applaud your comprehensive and professional approach to the issue of Noise & Austin. Your most recent post, analyzing the Nutty Brown Cafe sound issues, is excellent.

You have my complete support in continuing your efforts to educate all parties; the public, business owners (especially venue managers), and developers as to the facts, and workings of the current state of affairs, especially in the area of analyzing the extremely bad and broken Noise & Sound Ordinance, in it’s current form.

I’ll point out the following, however, as to what, in personal opinion, is the real problem, in spite of the Music Commissions great work. I feel that if this central problem is addressed, it would make your work, my work, and the Music Commission’s work, much more effective and beneficial to everyone concerned.

At the following links, you can read certain facts, along with my analysis of why the City Council is moving (albeit, as slow as molasses), in the exact opposite direction of the Music Commission’s Recommendations to Council (which is the limit of the Music Commission’s power.

“DANA Letter to the Mayor & Council” – http://goo.gl/y2pD4

“Disingenuous Politickin’” – http://austincitypermits.com/?p=4170

“Mistake on Decibel Reading Location” – http://austincitypermits.com/?p=4510

In the posts, above, it is clear as to why, on Feb 17th of this year, Council staff basically “screwed the pooch” and set back Austin’s Noise & Sound Ordinance several years

The letter was from DANA (Downtown Austin Neighborhood Association) who were, at the time, very much “at the stakeholder’s table” of the backdoor meetings being called by certain members of the Council. I am of the opinion that DANA was overzealous, drunk on the attention and support they were getting from Council and Staff, and simply overstepped the boundary of just what an organization can insert, of it’s own agenda, directly into the Code.

“Inadvertently … left in place?” – http://austincitypermits.com/?p=4526

That Ordinance included the provision that: ““The decibel limits prescribed under this section must be measured … from the location of the sound equipment on the property or site where the permit is issued.”

This meant that the current 70 dB (Restaurant) and 85 dB (Cocktail Lounges & non-Restaurant venues) decibel level limits would hence forth be measured in front of the speakers!

I was told that Staff didn’t have an Ordinance ready, and with mere weeks before SxSW, a Council Member ordered, “We need something now. Put something together, and get it on the Agenda!”. The Mea Culpa in the form of a Memo by the Council’s staff lawyer, can be read here:

http://goo.gl/5nk7I

As a result of my efforts to quickly call attention the mistake, an additional ordinance was passed (!) 2 weeks later, in order to rid the Code of the inappropriate “mistake”.

“Location of dB Readings Changed” – http://austincitypermits.com/?p=4494

However, if you’ll notice, several other “suggestions” from the Dana letter have remained in the Code, as of that one rushed Ordinance.

The Music Commission, as well as the City’s Music Office have been doing an excellent job of communicating these damaging inclusions, starting as recently as 6 months ago, so far, absolutely NO action has been taken by Council … and that’s my point.

Respectfully,
Gary Etie

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Comment on Summary of Sound Level Limits by R. White http://austinnoise.org/the-austin-noise-ordinance/summary-of-sound-level-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-673 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:54:04 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=45#comment-673 Any chance this is off of Brandt Rd near Slaughter? I’m having the same issue (below).

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Comment on Summary of Sound Level Limits by R. White http://austinnoise.org/the-austin-noise-ordinance/summary-of-sound-level-limits/comment-page-1/#comment-672 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:52:42 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=45#comment-672 A construction crew has been working with leveling land for a nearby site almost 2 months now with the nearest distance to their site about 40 feet from my property line. It’s basically just across a 2-lane street from my backyard. 4 days out of the week I wake up to my house vibrating from their steam roller operation right at 7am – even when I sleep in a different room across the house. Given I work night shift until 5am this really has made my life hell. It’s as if they have a broken muffler – even the dishes in the my house vibrate each time the steamroller is “stressing” going up a hill or something similar up to hundreds of feet away. I thought they would be done by now but apparently this is not going away anytime soon. Is there anything I can do? Thanks in advance!

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Comment on About AustinNoise.org by Joshua Leasure http://austinnoise.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:39:22 +0000 http://austinnoise.org/?page_id=2#comment-670 The best way to find out where the sound is coming from is to go outside and follow the sound to the source.

The most likely sources, according to your description, are a refrigerator truck or an emergency generator. Do you live near a grocery store? Refrigerator trucks often park behind grocery stores and run for long periods of time. Has the sound been happening for a long time? If it’s only been a recent thing, there may be a building or construction site that runs generators for power, which is almost certainly a temporary situation.

Whether you can get the sound to stop depends on the nature of the source. If the source is a refrigeration truck, the owner of the location the truck is running might be sympathetic to your problems. If the source is a generator, probably the best you can do is find out for how much longer it’s going to go on.

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